The Importance of Maintaining a Healthy Level of Skepticism
There is a very fine line between magic and madness. Some who follow this crooked path believe they go hand in hand and you can’t have one without the other, but I say that is an unhealthy view point. For magic to work, it is best to be a sane functional human being grounded in this world. That is what I was taught. Too often sanity is thrown without caution into the gutter and people run head first into madness not even thinking for a second of the consequences. So, let’s go over the consequences, shall we?
Mental Illness in the Pagan Community
Mental illness still carries a taboo in Western society. We don’t want to talk about it, we don’t want to see it, we don’t want to admit we are affected by it – we just want to hide it under a rug and forget about it. Almost everyone in the Pagan community has suffered from a mental illness at some point in their life because 20% of the general population (in Canada) has had mental health problems during their lifetime. If I use my fingers to count all my Pagan friends who have suffered from depression or bipolar disorder alone I would quickly fill up both hands and need to move on to my toes. The majority of them sought help and took the steps necessary to reach a level of mental health they were happy with. There were also a few that spiraled down in the other direction who refused to admit they had a problem and lost everything and everyone they loved because of it.
Sometimes the (online and physical) Pagan Community is too accepting and accommodating of everyone’s own personal level of crazy. Because we are on the fringe, many think we have to accept anyone who identifies as one of us and take them as they come. Sometimes we are too afraid to tell someone they are crazy (this is especially hard to do when the person in question is in a leadership role). After all, who is a Pagan (believing in many gods, spirits, and magic) to tell someone they’re nuts or are taking something too far? But when no one calls a stop or calls bullshit, then things do get taken too far and people with real mental illnesses end up being accepted as sane. This never ends well. Have you ever watched an untreated schizophrenic, bipolar, or someone with a delusional disorder try to run a group? I have and I can tell you it is not a pretty sight. If people believe them in the beginning, they certainly won’t by the end, and by then it’s too late to do the right thing in an amicable way. The mentally ill person will have a breakdown when they feel their delusions are being attacked. They will threaten and drive everyone away who questions them, sometimes even trying to physically hurt, verbally assault, or magically attack people they once treated as friends and family.
What can you do? Inform yourself about mental health. Maybe something you thought was normal actually isn’t and there is easy help for it. Admit to yourself that you have a problem if you are the one suffering from mental health issues and then seek professional help and guidance to deal head on with those issues. If it is someone else in your magical community, gently confront them about their issues, ask if they have sought help or if they plan to, and offer your support. Have online and local resources ready in case they do choose to accept help. If the person denies there is a problem and denies help then all you can do is walk away and leave it alone. Forced mental health treatment is an option for family members and professionals alone and is still considered on shaky ethical ground in the legal system. The bottom line is, if someone doesn’t want help, they don’t have to accept it. Respect the person’s decision either way.
I once met a wonderful and beautiful witchy woman who was beginning to show negative symptoms of schizophrenia like her mother before her. Me and all her friends, including one who also had a schizophrenic mother, offered to support and help her, but she became verbally violent and completely rejected the idea she could be mentally ill. We kept trying to support her as friends anyway, but she pushed us all away one by one and we had to let her go her own way as much as it hurt to do so.
Determining Your Own Reality & Sanity
You need to draw a line. I believe everyone needs a boundary line for what they consider sane and to agree with themselves that everything beyond that line will not be considered sane. The danger of believing everyone and everything is never finding out what you yourself believe and consider part of your reality. This can lead to one getting burned, getting hurt (don’t drink the kool-aid!), or becoming disillusioned and leaving the path all together out of bitterness. Sit down and decide where it stops for you – does it stop at conspiracy theories, apocalyptic prophesies, aliens? At what point do your hackles raise, doubts surface, and disbeliefs set in? Everyone has their own reality and it will not be the same as your own personal view of reality and sanity. That is why it is so important to find your own so people can not impose their reality upon you. Don’t ever let anyone bully you into validating their own sanity (or lack thereof).
I have met a Pagan man who thought he was the reincarnation of the last Japanese samurai. Good for him, but he felt it was his duty to inform everyone of this upon first meeting him as well as trying to convert everyone to his own twisted personal manifesto of life, the universe, and everything. With him I didn’t draw the line at reincarnation, I drew it at his crazed eyes and his need to make that fact the first thing everyone knew about him. Whether what he said was true or not, he took his beliefs to a place that was not sane in my reality. He wanted other people to treat him as special, but only succeeded in being ostracized by all the local Pagan groups who thought he had lost all of his marbles and then some.
I once met another middle-aged Pagan man who believed he shared his brain with the spirit of an ancient nineteen year old princess who was a priestess and could talk to aliens and relate the information back to him to tell the world. According to the aliens via the princess, the world is going to end and it is his duty to warn us. I drew the line when I realized he had taken the story from a video game and twisted it into a grand delusion he believed was real and not part of a game.
I once met a Pagan I thought was a woman, but who turned out to be a man who had been repeatedly turned down for sex change surgery due to mental health issues. They told me they were really a woman, but they weren’t really even a human being because they were really a cat. This person told me if I didn’t go out on a date with him/her, they would kill him/herself. I didn’t draw the line at gender identity or even at them being a possible reincarnation of a cat – I drew the line at their attempt to manipulate me and others with the threat of suicide.
I met a witchcraft teacher online who told me she was everything I wanted. She told me she had been a nurse, a teacher, and a foster mother. She told me she was in an active coven and a practicing witch in her community. I went to meet her and even ended up living with her for a short time. Nothing was as she had said. She genuinely believed every lie she told me, but none of it was true. She had deliberately surrounded herself with weak-minded people who wouldn’t question her so she would not have to face her issues. Her delusions had gotten to such a level that when I finally untangled her lies and confronted her, things ended very badly for both of us. I wrote of that experience here: Apprenticing with Baba Yaga.
Respecting Yourself and Others
belief 1. something believed; an opinion or conviction
I choose to believe what I see and what I experience for myself as well as what those I trust in truth and character have seen and experienced. I acknowledge others may have had different experiences. I don’t expect people to believe what I believe. Just because some people do, doesn’t change that I don’t expect it from them. I have had good and safe experiences for the most part, minus a few very bad and dangerous situations. I have had sane and grounded mentors who believe maintaining a healthy dose of skepticism about everything is important to keep you sane and grounded in the physical realm.
I respect other people’s reality and beliefs to a point. If they go too far and try to impose their own views upon me, start a war when I disagree with them, or inappropriately step on my territory, then my respect for them turns off and the finely sharpened sword comes out. I will defend myself if needed, but I’m not going to go out of my way to hurt that person especially not publicly, anonymously, or emotionally. I respect myself too much to lower myself. Respect yourself first and others second. Keep your priorities straight.
The Dangers of the Internet
The internet is not reality. It is a place much like the imagination. Anything is possible online if you desire it so, but it can all come crashing down and disappear too. You can be anyone and anything you want, but it doesn’t make it true in reality just because it is so on the web. Online you may be a powerful archpriestess who people bow and scrape to, but in reality you flip burgers at Wendy’s and bow and scrape to your greasy assistant manager.
Our modern Western culture lives so much within our minds obsessing about our individuality that the internet is a dangerous place where even mentally healthy people can fall victim to delusions and loose themselves to unreality. I remember back when I first started looking for witchcraft on the internet. I remember all the sites for “are you a vampire?” or “are you a fairy?” with their lists of signs that prove you are which actually describe every single teenager and insecure person out there who just wants to feel special and different from everyone else. Everyone wishes they were Harry Potter and to be pulled away from their mundane life to something special and magical. Feeding into these natural desires and insecurities has become an entire market on the internet. Role playing has become confused with reality.
Anonymity has caused people to run loose doing and saying things they would never say face to face with people and therefore consequences. The internet is a big city where the power just went out at night masking faces and everyone is running around looting, raping, and killing reality thinking no one will notice and no one can stop them.
Whether online or in real life, it is up to you and you alone to rely on your own ethics, your own sense of right and wrong, your own self-control, and for you to show the respect to people you desire from them in return. No one is going to hold your hand and do it for you on the Pagan path. This is not an organized religion with everything dictated to you by someone who you give the authority to determine what reality is. You have to set your own compass to navigate the world and the internet with. If you don’t stick to your morals and call out people who are acting unethically, then you can’t complain later when you and others get hurt because of inaction.
Owning Your Shit Online and in Real Life
A blog is one person’s soap box. It is their safe territory for expressing what they believe and experience in an environment within their control. If you don’t like what someone believes, then why waste your time reading their blog and getting upset over it? If things incite you, why dwell on them? Why let them needlessly fire you up? There will always be people and opinions who upset you. Just stop feeding them your attention and move on away from the drama. Don’t dwell. The same thing goes for different forums and online groups who share beliefs as well as different traditions and organizations in the real world. Hate all druids or just witches who wear crushed velvet robes? Why dwell on it and attack them? Find something you don’t hate instead.
If something really upsets you, ask yourself why? Did it make you feel threatened? Did it make you feel ashamed? Did it make you feel angry, hurt, sad? Why? Where did that feeling come from? Was it that an idea or opinion expressed threatened your view of reality? What past experiences, unconscious judgements, or issues of your own caused the reaction? Did you let the emotion override your capacity for rational thought and action? If you feel such things about a person, don’t try to respond to them while you are under the sway of your emotions. Deal with your issues yourself, don’t dwell on what or who upset you and made you aware of your issues.
There is a huge difference between just not liking someone and not liking someone for being crazy or unethical in some way. In the first instance you just need to own up to your dislike and move along, and in the second instance you might feel morally obligated to say or do something. But, once again, it’s all subjective to your own view of reality and your own moral compass. One person may think something is okay while another person thinks harm is being done by thinking it’s okay. Neither person is wrong and that is the paradox of being human. Life’s not fair and then you die. Did I mention not to dwell?
Own up to your own darkness in order to move ahead along the path. Own up to your own issues and don’t blame them on others. Know yourself and the rest will follow.
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…and now back to your regularly scheduled programming on gardening, wild harvesting, mead making, and crafting. Oh, and comments will now be moderated forever more.

Damn, that was a tome.
Needless to say, but I’ll say it anyway… that was all so wonderfully put.
I am guilty of dwelling and stewing on things I shouldn’t give two shits about. As much as I would love to blame it on my aggressive and fight loving Aries ass, I gotta own up to it, deal with it and move on. Imagine how much time I’d save myself!
The past few years has been a lot of working on my own darkness, it’s painful shit to work through, but the lessons learned are invaluable. No matter how painful it has been for me, I am eternally thankful and so very grateful for having been taught those lessons.
thank you very much for the food for thought!
On the Owning your Shit part…
I had to moderate some of the comments I had going on in my blog recently when an annon reader told me they really hated what i had to say and disagreed with my opinions as a witch, female, and person in general. Regardless of my telling them that agreement with my opinions has nothing to do with me, they really felt like i needed changing. Irritating and irrational. I don’t read the blogs of those I take moral issue with or plain dislike, and I don’t know why anyone would.
I get everything from “Nig**rs can’t worship white gods” to “You need more luv and lyte to be a real witch” and I have to constantly remind myself that no one invited those people to read my blog, they don’t have to and they need to examine WHY they troll. I can’t imagine people saying the common race-related complaints about my chosen path in person. Or at least I’d hope not… I always safely assume that no one is actually who they are in real life as they are in the bloggosphere (or anywhere online), I’d wonder if these people really believe what they say online in their everyday, offline lives.
Thanks for sharing ^_^
You know, I just got told that “White people can’t practice Vodou because it’s not in their bloodlines”. What on earth does race/gender/bloodlines have to do with the spirits that speak to one!
People are just despicable, I’m sorry they would say such foul things to you.
Yeah I’ve heard that one – being multiracial it seems I’m always “too black to count, too white to matter”. Even more irritating when folks in the pagan community refuse to acknowledge it happens from time to time even off the blogs and in real life. But it’s not like many of us actually get a choice as to which deities decide to make themselves known – it’s just “You. Yes, you. Right there. MINE!” and that’s sort of the end of!
So rock on with it.
It’s a scary kind of ignorance that divides race from religion. The stereotypes are both funny and insulting (i.e being asked why I don’t practice Vodou, being that I’m tan and all lol)…
But that’s the world. I’m glad Sarah pointed out how the facelessness of the online world leads to the lack of “shit ownership”.
I don’t own much, but my Shit is MINE!
My “primary” line with other people is when they want me involved in their “weird”. What’s my motivation? If people want to involve me in their personal weird/kink… they need to provide a reason for me to care.
I think, for a LOT of people, the line gets drawn with growing sensitivity because of horrible incidents like those you mention. Oh yes, I’ve had my share of “crazies for their own weird” before. I’m fine with their worldview as long as I’m not expected, required, or harassed to participate in it.
Mostly, for people who do not make something of their situation (real or imagined) – I just tend to think of them as “playing”. And I have no real interest in people who are playing. I don’t reserve any scorn for them, I’m just utterly uninterested.
not really sure how or what to say.. just a simple thank you i reckon sums it up
thank you!
**loves**
I noted a comment recently on your blog and thought “Hmmmmm” so I was rather glad you posted this up. Keep an open mind, but you need not allow your brain to leak a bit. We are human; own that first.
Well said.
EXCELLENT excellent read! Very well said. You make points that should be common knowledge. Oh and the Kool-aid reference? LOL That is something I have said all too often concerning the “mad heard of cows mentality” or the “I need a guru” mentality. Know thyself indeed.
Thanks for posting that. Now if only everyone searching the net for information could somehow stumble onto it.
thank you, your words touch on a subject I really needed support with. Ive only been receiving your emails for a couple of weeks but i find them very helpful and informative….
This has actually been a huge lesson here with all the “special snowflakes” in this City, especially in Jackson Square. I have met ALL SORTS of people claiming to be this and that (including a ‘for really real’ Ninja and Merlin, you know!) and my bullcrap and crazy meter has slowly been overloaded.
Accepting people for what they are is different than allowing people to make up reasons to be special or accommodate their delusional thinking. One of the Lwa actually just told me to stay out of most of the ‘magickal’ community and to stick to the people I really trust and feel have their heads on right because it’s only going to cause me heartache, and she is right.
I believe a LOT of weird things about myself, things I know are true and things that I know other people won’t believe. I hold my tongue, because knowing those things is enough. It SHOULD be enough for you to know them if they’re true! Sometimes I will find someone to share with on the path who I can trust, but it’s far and few between.
“psychic” and “magic user” have become terms interchangeable with “I’m special give me special treatment and love me because I’m special and awesome, and accommodate all my needs no matter how weird because if you don’t I’ll curse you and you’re an awful, mean person.”
Really. New Orleans, no matter how awesome and magical I think this place is, doesn’t have four fairy queens, all Unseelie. Really.
So well said. Thank you.
I gave you alot of credit for speaking your Truth on your last Post.
Even MORE credit for this one……I commented on prev. Post that I was “Going Sane”….That was in response to having incidents that I questioned. I sought help in understanding ( validating).
We all bear some responsibility when we walk our Paths….
That includes a healthy dose of Skepticism….
Thats for starting this dialog!
Blessings to you, Witch, Brava Sarah!!
Excellent post, with illumination and insights on things that can never be said often enough. And especially now these last few decades when the on-line forums and resources can strain the sanity of even a well-grounded mentality.
Thank you Sarah, I really appreciate your approach to things, your method and rigor in organizing your thoughts and in fashioning them into your excellent and informational posts.
Blessings,
Rob
The line about “if you just hate druids or witches who wear crushed velvet robes…” made me laugh out loud. I know just what you mean about those folks who are so damning of some particular group that you wonder what the heck bug crawled up their butt and died. The “hate Wiccans” thing seems really popular right now, like it is some badge of authenticity. I think there is a lot of misogyny behind it, frankly.
Skepticism is indeed important, IMO, for people who practice magic, but it’s difficult sometimes to determine exactly where to draw the lines between acceptance and doubt. I hope no one who is not a magician ever reads my magical diary, because what is written there would make me look crazy. As you point out, believing in magic already puts a person on the fringe.
Occasionally I have run into seriously disturbed people in magic, generally harmless folks. Lately there are a lot more of them and it seems that violence simmers not very far below the surface. I think it is all the stress in our society due to economic ills and the fact that in the US, at any rate, we are no longer swollen with over-confidence about our role in the world. People look for black-and-white answers, and craziness does provide that kind of thing.
Excellent post and advice. We all want to find kindred to discuss our beliefs and ideas with, but it can lead us down a weird path sometimes – and not the kind we’re looking for. When in doubt, walk away. Certainly offer help when we can though, as you mention, but we can’t save everyone. Know yourself, take care of yourself.
Hmmm…funny, I’ve been having some of the same thoughts lately: http://hiddenwitch.blogspot.com/2011/05/dont-drink-cool-aide.html
Sometimes I think we are simply surrounded by wack-a-doodles that need to be need to be surrounded by light & love & then sent to a private island where they can quit drawing others into their craziness.
Wild & Bright Blessings!
Thank you. Seriously, thank you for this.
One of the people who brought me into paganism turned out to have paranoid schizophrenia with major delusions of grandeur (he was destined to be the saviour of the world, was descendant of angels/demons and was dragonkin). You can imagine how this has extremely difficult for my faith. It was really hard for me to find what was truth to me and what was his mental illness. Going to link to this <3
I’m glad this was said. Especially that about mental health.
Some of the most profound mystics in history weren’t bat shit crazy, they were grounded and in control of all of their parts. They had the power of self possession and I think many modern witches and shamans neglect that. Some even revel in the fact that they quite frankly, border on insanity.
I remember years ago on the mysticwicks on-line forum, a young woman joined. She was in love with the spirit of a tree. When I say in love, I mean she had a serious psychological problem. She OBSESSED about the tree, she constantly feared it would be cut down while she was away. She even announced one day that she had ritually married the tree.
When people began to express concern and suggest that she seek therapy, she got pissed because ‘pagans are supposed to be accepting and love nature too’. This is the kind of thing we have to watch for.
You seem to have summed it up pretty damn well! I was gonna go into this whole thing about owning up to our weirdness and how, if you’re able to make another weirdo go “huh, wth?” then maybe that’s not necessarily a good thing. I don’t say ‘weirdo’ to be offensive but rather to point to the fact I know that the things I and others do are weird. May the Force be with you. Cheers!
what a great post, I myself have a healthy dose of skeptism but I research what I am skeptical about and make my own conclusions. I dont force my belief on other people and they know better than to force theirs on me. I think there is enough room for all points of view and walks of life in our world. We own a Harley Davidson and there is a great saying that goes. If I had to explain you wouldnt understand. I think that sometimes applies to my beliefs too. Hugs Sara
Hot dam, my dear, that was well said.
I just stumbled onto your blog today and just want to say this was a great post. A lot of important issues are raised. Mental health and illness isn’t discussed often enough and it absolutely does still carry that stigma of “this person is crazy because they’re in therapy!” with it. I agree that it’s something that people and the community cannot continue to ignore. To echo a previous commenter’s sentiment, thanks for the food for thought!
That was right bang on. Lately your posts have been exactly what I needed for myself. Really happy I found this blog, and that I subscribed to it. It sure beats the news of the day on tv, and is more relavent to my life at this time. It was great seeing where to draw the line, not only for others, but for myself. Finding the right person to share those idiosycracies that make us unique unto ourselves has been something I’ve been looking for all my life. I’ve not found anyone yet I would trust with that information, no pagan, no lover, no relative and I’m close to 50. I may never find that person, yet still I remain hopeful that one day I will meet someone I can bounce ideas off or work on projects with, and share my personal beliefs.
So true, and timely. I tend to stay out of the “magical community” for these very reasons; I’ve come across too many people who claim to be dragons/fairies/wolves (!) etc, or who seem to have thrown common sense to the wind. Being magical, and speaking with the Otherworld, doesn’t mean that you cease to exist in the physical world, too, or are immune from the same kinds of day-to-day stuff we all deal with.
I also agree with the other poster that the “I hate Wicca” thing seems to be a big fad right now, with more people jumping on the bandwagon in an attempt to prove how “traditional” they are. Sadly enough, the “Wicca” these types claim to hate isn’t Wicca at all, but is instead a pop-culture distortion that no serious practitioner would ever acknowledge as being the actual tradition. The “hate” crowd either doesn’t know, or ignores, this fact. To them, it seems to be easier to bash something you don’t understand, whilst clinging to whatever the new “in” magical tradition might be, than think for yourself and actually learn the truth about what you think you hate. This seems to be the opposite side of the same coin, with the one “accepting” anything and everything without question, and the other bashing and bad-mouthing anything and everything that isn’t their own little niche.
Anyway, thanks again for another timely and thoughtful post! Always good to get the discussion going……
Thank you for this Sarah.
It has been experiences like this that were in large part responsible for me studying psychology. The community is seriously behind in that department. We feel we have to accept crazy and when we have emotional or mental problems we feel we have to just cope on our own for fear of judgement from councilors. Since our beliefs are not mainstream we fear diagnosis of schizophrenia for sharing them. When in reality it is not the beliefs themselves but our relationship with them.
The tragedy for many of these people is that they become so caught up in their own version of reality they miss all the grand magic that is happening right in front of them. Its sad really but also very dangerous.
And to add to your statistic- in the western world about 20% will be diagnosed with a mental disorder at some point in their lives. But up to 41% will suffer from it.
Again thank you for this its refreshing to see others who understand these things.
Well written.
The one thing I would add is that not all wackiness is mental illness (that is, something that therapy and/or meds would help).
A great deal of it is not truly delusion, but merely people making things up to get attention. Most of those folks give up spouting their stories if people simply ignore the stories and deal only with what these people actually do.
A very small amount of it is actually spiritual illness, not mental illness. Those are the people who have attracted an unhealthy entity. The traditional terms for this in Ceremonialism are possession and obsession. Possession, of course, is when the entity becomes the agent in the body. Obsession, on the other hand, is the situation when the entity is not directly controlling action, but rather influencing the human’s decisions. Unlike possession, where the spirit is perceived to be located within the body, in obsession the spirit is perceived to be located outside the body, frequently hovering behind/above.
There is one thing that all three situations (mental illness, craving attention, and spiritual illness) have in common: unless the individual wants the situation to improve, there is little or nothing that anyone outside can do except protect themselves and those they care about. Once the individual decides that s/he wants to live a healthy and balanced life, it’s time to determine what course of action is appropriate. If it’s attention-getting behavior, learn appropriate social skills. If it’s mental illness, see a therapist and/or get on meds. And if it’s the rare situation of spiritual illness, find an experienced shaman or exorcist or witchdoctor or whatever kind of practitioner can actually deal with the situation. (Being a powerful witch or priest or various other things is no guarantee that one can deal with possession or obsession. Get someone with the right talents and skills. That leaves me out.)
I remember at one of my first gatherings (I was what.. 18?) I was sitting around listening to a group of people talk about all their special “needs” for food and scents and so on and I thought to myself “What the hell? can you really be allergic to THAT many things?”
Later on I was talking with someone else about it and they nodded at my skeptical face and pointed out that sometimes people are just drama queens.
We seem to get both those and mentally ill.
I know that I have suffered from depression. I went to counselling and I was told I had justifiable reasons to be having a wee breakdown. And really I think that helped the most. To know that while I might be going slightly crazy at least I wasn’t going crazy for no reason. Part of me feels that it was an important step I had to take on my path because it forced me to deal with a lot of demons. While it scared the crap out of me, and left me feeling lost and without my faith for awhile, I crawled out of my hole and now think I am stronger and more aware then before.
As much as I love the world, I know it is full of scammers, and oddballs. I have always been slightly skeptical of some of the claims I hear other pagans make, but then I have to wonder how crazy i sound to others too.
So I do my best to take a path in the middle, allowing some belief until it hits a certain point, and then my sketpical/cynical face comes on and I walk away. I also have had to put up my BS filters to try and figure out who is just a drama queen and who is actually in need of help. I have the healer/momma bear syndrome so I have learned over the years to not let anyone in to push those buttons until I am sure it is for reals.
Thanks for the thoughtful post. Sorry you have to moderate now.
Thank you so much everyone for your input and thank you Ian for adding in the drama kings and queens of the community – I think they deserve a whole post to themselves, lol!
I wrote this post because there were a couple people trying to twist my beliefs expressed in a post to force and bully me into validating their own unhealthy reality. When I didn’t allow them to do it, they became enraged and tried to create sockpuppets to support their side. I was bullied as a child and I refuse to be bullied now. Don’t even try it.
I can definitely relate to this, Sarah. I think that the online “world” facilitates not only messages and information but also allows some who mislead not only others but seem to be on a trailing lost path of their own.
It is interesting you write about this because after reading your short article “Getting Stuck In Between”, I thought a lot about what exactly we in the pagan community ‘take in’ from others. The “spirit” who repeatedly posted in this article has been on my mind since reading it.
I have been on the internet for quite some time now. Reading, adding, sometimes learning, sometimes just casually observing…but with the subject of paganism and other occult practices, I have time and time again encountered stories and “teachings” that were not only incredibly self-destructive to the author but potentially hazardous to an open individual wishing to learn something. (The Occult Forums comes to mind with me posting this.)
You are the first person in the world of the internet that I hold in high regard with the subject of paganism and, really, just your fables, passed knowledge and creativity as well!
Thank you for your openness and what you have brought to this community, Sarah,
Best,
n
Excellent post, Sarah! Many times I have thought about leaving the Pagan community here in Colorado because of the mental illness, drama, fakes, liars, etc. I realized, after reading your post, that I have a deeper issue with mental illness in the community because it hits way to close to home for me. My mother is bipolar and I have been in charge of her care since I was 14 (turned 37 yesterday) and her mother was bipolar and schizophrenic. Growing up with it around you everyday and all day, makes you crave something that resembles “normalcy”. Yeah, I know, that’s a stretch, but I think you know what I mean.
Thank you for bringing this issue in our communities to light and also for making me rethink my stance on certain things. It was really helpful.
A well-written entry, Sarah, and definitely to the point.
While I don’t always agree with everything you post (as should be expected from anyone who has thoughts of his or her own), I have more respect for the integrity behind what you write than you can imagine. You have a strong backbone and you “own your shit”. These qualities are a big part of why I have been, and no doubt will continue, to follow your blog.
As a civil libertarian, I would have to respectfully disagree with some observations here. One critical deficiency is how we define mental illness. An excellent critique of the DSM-V as compared to a modern method of compulsory social conformity is given by your French brethren in Foucault’s Surveiller et Punire. But here’s a better story. This guy didn’t come off the Internet. He came out of the “Pagan Community” of Princeton. He left a doctoral program in classics believing that certain limnoid diabolical spirits were leading him through the nine hells. His wife left him; his contemporaries mocked him as completely mad. His name? Richard Dukante.
One day you’ll speak English and I’ll understand you
Mais la langue de tes ancestres serait plus agreable! “Je me souviens?” quelle nation au nord!
Sarah, you should really work this into a little pamphlet that you hand out at the festivals you work. Your words allow us to remain crazy Pagans talking to invisible beings, but remind us not to let our reality spill over onto other people’s. I think ultra-literal belief is a problem in the Occult community. I’ve met a good handful of people who dance with literal dragons that fill up their bedroom, armchair occultists who have met with aliens, people who know that the government is controlling us through the water system, and that witches were always “white light healers”.
There comes a point where you just need to accept that those visions exist in your mind, and that’s okay if it doesn’t exist anywhere else.
In Sanity,
Frater M.
A wonderful post as usual. I’m glad that others recognize that we should not blindly accept everything another person says about him or herself just by virtue of being a fellow Pagan, witch, occultist, etc. It can sometimes be difficult to define the limits of sanity when by nature one is attracted to liminal things, but I definitely think it is important to do.
I wanted to mention that several resources I’ve found on shamanism (classic shamanism rather than neo- or core shamanism) emphasize that in traditional cultures where it exists, there is a distinction between shamans and the mentally ill. In our culture, where knowledge and experience of the otherworld is considered crazy by default, I think it becomes harder for many both within and outside of our communities to carefully discriminate between the two because most of us do not have readily available examples of magical people whose feet are planted firmly in the ground.
I have personally met a man at a gathering who said he was the reincarnation of Jesus and claimed to have piloted a spaceship hidden within the hollow earth. I also know someone who claims to be a dragon and feels that the fate of the entire planet rests on his shoulders. I’ve “met” many more people online with similar issues.
I say these things as a person who is struggling with certain mental health issues myself. Unfortunately I’m not innocent of causing minor internet drama behind a mask of anonymity (this did not happen recently), but I have owned it and moved on to more constructive things.